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13:00 - 17:00    Started teaching Geography classes.&#13;
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35:00 - 39:00    Told stories about students.&#13;
39:00 - 42:00    Talks of Mr. Coates death March 17, 1928.&#13;
42:00 - 44:00    Talks of Mr. Coates traveling and writing letters describing Yellowstone Park, Rocky Mountains and California and requesting they be read in class.&#13;
44:00 - 48:00    Mentions conferences.  Dr. Kennemer established World Affairs Club for students and faculty.&#13;
48:00 - 49:50    Roark and Sullivan were two first buildings on campus.&#13;
49:50 - 53:00    Dr. Sneed was one of first women "libbers" on campus.&#13;
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57:00 - 60:00    Discussed keeping in touch with students.</text>
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11:00 - 13:30    Recollections of Chapel and reflection on Dr. Donovan.&#13;
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19:00 - 21:10    Volunteer work in retirement homes.  Mrs. True relates some future goals.&#13;
21:10 - 23:45    Teaching fellowship at Ohio State University and meeting her husband.  Working for Ryher Department Store in Dayton, Ohio.  Learned how to relate to the public and acquired business knowledge.&#13;
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                    <text>The following is an interview with Dovie M. Jones. Mrs. Jones is an Eastern graduate of 1937. However, she started her college career in the early 1920s. The interview was conducted by William E. Ellis, Professor of History and Director of the Oral History Center of Eastern Kentucky University. The interview was conducted at the home of Mrs. Jones in Morristown, Tennessee on September 29, 1988 at 2 p.m. DJ: D-O-V-I-E, Dovie M.... You want my maiden name? WE: What was your maiden name? DJ: McFarland WE: And your married name is? DJ: I've been married twice. My first husband was A.C. Johnson. My second husband was W.T. Jones. My husband lived only 7 years after we were married and I was a widow for 7 years before I remarried. And Mr. Jones has been gone since 1972. So I'm alone again. WE: Where you were born? DJ; I was born in Laurel County out from London. And left there though when I was just a small child. I don't even remember anything that happened there. But my sister told me all about it. WE: Where did you move to? DJ: We moved to Knox County near Gray, Kentucky. Do you know where that is? Near Corbin. And spent my early childhood there and when I was in the seventh grade then we moved to Harlan. And we stayed there until I graduated from high school. WE: What's your birthdate? DJ: August 2, 1901. I'm not young anymore! WE: I'm not either! DJ: But I tell you I just thank the Lord every day that I have been here this long. WE: You seem to be in pretty good health. DJ: Well, I have phlebitis in my ankles and feet, but I keep it under control with help from my doctor. WE: Where did you go to school? DJ: Well, I graduated from Harlan High School, as I told you. And then my pastor....I had

�already had my reservation at Cumberland College, you know, in Williamsburg. But my pastor persuaded my folks to let me go to Georgetown. He had a brother who was going and a neighbor girl was mine was also going. So he took the three of us to Georgetown and got us settled. But it was a school I couldn't afford. My parents were not rich. My father was deprived of his education by a stepfather who used him for a farm hand instead of sending him to school. So he did many things. He farmed part of the time and he worked in the mines part of the time. And for a very little part of the time. And then he ended up by delivering coal. They robbed him of his education. So it just breaks my heart when I think about it, because he was smart and could have gone places, but he had no chance. After Georgetown, they sacrificed to send me the one year and I started teaching. WE: Where did you teach? DJ: Taught at Harlan at...well it was six miles below Harlan. Let's see....White Star. White Star. That was my first experience and I was a greenhorn. WE: How old were you that year? DJ: Well, let's see, I graduated when I was about....You see we moved around and I was behind. I should've graduated two years before I did. I guess I was about 19 or 20 when I graduated. I graduated in '21 and went to Georgetown in '21 and '22. And '22 and '23 I taught my first school. WE: What grades did you teach? DJ: I went into that big long room..We had just two rooms that school did, but the big room was divided by a curtain. I had the first three grades in the big long room with the platform on it. They used it for a show, they called it on the weekends. And then through the week, we had school, of course. And I looked back at that sea of faces and I've forgotten just exactly how many I had, but it was more than 60 in the first three grades. I believe it was more...well, closer to 80 than it was 60, if I remember correctly. But of course, that was an impossible situation, so they divided and had a morning and afternoon session. Which made it a little easier, but it was hard on the children. And I taught that one year and then I went back to school. It was a short term, of course, back then. Seven months, I believe. And I got to...went back to Richmond...went to Richmond, rather and entered for the second semester. And from then on it was teaching and going back to school and teaching and going back to school. And I didn't really graduate from college from until 1938. WE: But you started 192... DJ: '21. No, well, '21-'22. '21....yeah, '21-'22. And I went to Eastern then of course. Back then it was a teacher's college. It was not a university like it is now. I was trying to think...then I taught...Oh, yes I met some girls from Anderson County and Wallace Walker was the name of the one that persuaded me to go and teach in Anderson County. So I applied and accepted and taught my second year there in a little country school. Two room school. And I have.... WE: What was the name of that school? What part of the county was it in?

�DJ: It was near Andersonville, if that will help. That was the county seat of course. WE: Lawrenceburg? DJ: I'm trying to think of the name of that...I was trying to think of it last night, the name of that post office. Save my life, I can't think of it. But anyway, it was a lovely group of children. I had the fifth, sixth and eighth. They alternated the seventh and eighth and the other teacher taught the lower grades. But that was a lovely year and the children were just country children, you know, and they were just precious. I enjoyed that very much WE: How long did you stay in Anderson County? DJ: One year. One year. Oh, the boarding conditions were not conducive. It was hard to find a place to stay. Well, anyway, the next year, I went back to Eastern and took another....Can't remember whether I took half a year or just a summer. And then I went back to....I believe I took a whole year off and went to Eastern. And then I went to Harlan and taught at Dreyfur. Out from Harlan town. Taught there one year and then...I think I'm wrong. I think I didn't go to Eastern until after I taught at Dreyfur. And then I took a whole year to work toward my degree. And when I came back...back then it was hard to get a job. Places were filled. My cousin visited us and he told me about a vacancy over in Clayborn, Tennessee. It's in Kentucky and Tennessee. We were on the line. Of course I was on the Kentucky side. So I applied and was accepted and I taught there. WE: What county is that? DJ: That's in Clayborn. Well Clayborn, Tennessee and Bell County, Kentucky. And I taught there for about 8 or 10 years. Eight or nine years. I had that all listed, but I didn't find it. The exact number. But anyway, that's where I fell in love and married my principal. WE: Married the principal! What kind of school was this? DJ: We had a...well, we had three schools. A black school and a white school in the (?) camp and then at Valley Creek a mile away, we had another white school. My husband had charge of all three of them. WE: Was that a coal mining community? DJ: Yes. I guess you just say a mining camp. WE: Mining camp. DJ: But it was not an ordinary one. We had a big company and they supported the school 100%. They even supplemented our salaries a little because they were low enough. They supplemented our salaries, I think, $25 on the month. And they required the men that worked there to send their children to school. So we had no problem with attendance. They came. And we enjoyed the work there so very much. We had an old building. That was the worst part. It

�was a two story frame structure. It had two rooms on the first floor and two rooms upstairs. And then a long auditorium where my husband taught some extra math classes. And then across the creek from there we had a shotgun like building that was used as a pool room. And as soon as the men gave it up, they seized it for a high school. And that's where they taught the high school. It was crude, but we had some wonderful children to come out of that school. And in 1933, I guess, I don't know whether you remember that. You might not be old enough to remember that. WE: No, afraid not. I wasn't born then. DJ: Well, in 1933 we had the terrible tornado there that killed 9 people. And we escaped by about 2 hours. It came at suppertime. We had....well, we had a house that was next to the....well, two houses one after the other right next to the school and the man in the first house was killed and his stepdaughter they thought was killed, but she finally...They noticed a little movement. She was laid out for dead and they noticed she moved and they took her to the hospital and she recovered. But the woman in the next house died. We had 9 people who were killed in that tornado and we missed it by about 2 hours. Because it was just demolished. WE: Were you somewhere else at the time? DJ: We were at the clubhouse. We had a clubhouse where the teachers and the office staff boarded. And that's where we were. It was a real sprawling building, two stories. WE: Did the tornado hit the school? DJ: Oh, it tore the thing...well, it left the...I taught on the first floor. I had the third and fifth grade and one of the teachers taught the second and fourth upstairs. They divided like that on account of space. We just didn't have enough space. And the first grade teacher was on the first floor. Well, our two floors were left, but the top just scattered here and yonder. And we just didn't have a place then. So...I'm trying to think now. Well, this building was used for a community center, used for school, used for a theater on weekends and for church on Sundays and Wednesday nights. So after the tornado we didn't have any place to worship. We didn't have a place to teach. So my husband secured an old store building up in the hollow to finish out the year. We had to finish out the year to get our credit, you know. He arranged for some of us to go home. And I was one of them and I was glad. I was all to pieces. But our home was in Bearden, Tennessee. You know where that is? So I was allowed to go and some of the other teachers were relieved. And the others stayed in the old store building and finished out the year. And how they ever made reports, but they did and got credit. So I stayed at home until school was out and when A.C. came home, he said they were planning to build a cobblestone school building and would have it ready by fall. It sounded fantastic that they could do it that fast, but they got stones out of the river and made a beautiful cobblestone building. But it didn't have auditorium and there we were again without a place to worship. Well, the pastor of the church there was Rev. Sherman Gibson and he was...he was not highly educated, but he was a dedicated man. So he went to Mr. Griffith who was the general manager and said, "Mr. Griffith, we don't have a church. We need a place to build." He said, "Well, do you have any money to start a church?" He said, "Yes, sir." He said, "How much do you have?" "Ten dollars."

�WE: Ten dollars! DJ: Mr. Griffith was so taken back, he didn't know what to do. He said, "Well, with faith like that, how can I refuse?" So he granted him a lot near the school. So that was the beginning of the church. And little by little we raised the funds. WE: What was the name of the church? DJ: Prudent Baptist Church. So it stands today. A beautiful little church. It's a ghost town. The place is, but that little church is there and a few of the old timers are still there to take care of it. WE: What was the name of the mining company? DJ: Prudent &amp; Cole Coal Company. WE: Prudent &amp; Cole Coal Company. DJ: Mr. Thomas Prudent was the...well, he was the superintendent. But he died before I went there and Mr. C.A. Griffith, Charlie Griffith, was the general manager when I went. And he really....but he had known my husband since they were boys. They grew up on near farms. So he begged A.C. to come then and take it over. He had been...A.C. had been principal at Bearden Elementary. But Mr. Griffith insisted he take it over and went to Prudent and was there two years before I went there. So he was well established. But we enjoyed our work there very much. Well, we built the little church and it was a great day when the foundation was laid. We finally raised enough money to lay the foundation. So we celebrated that day. The women and girls brought the food and the men poured the concrete. Got the sand out of the little creek. So it was just a wonderful day when we laid the foundation. That spurred everybody to work harder for the church. So little by little we raised money to build the church and it's standing there today as a tribute to the ones who sacrificed. And every year, every year, the survivors of that tornado go back for a day of thanksgiving and praise. We meet at Cove Lake. You know where that is? WE: Oh, yes. DJ: Once a year and we reserve that building from one year to the next and we have it inside in a nice building with restrooms and everything. So this year when I went, I guess we had about 150, and they came from all sections of the country. And this is the poem I wrote for the occasion. WE: You are a poet. DJ: Well, I try to be. WE: How long have you been writing poetry?

�DJ: Well, ever since I was in high school. It brings out...something like that just brings out something that I have to express. WE: Well, haven't you also published some poetry? DJ: Yes, yes I have. WE: Tell me about your published poetry. DJ: Let me read that to you. WE: All right. Go ahead. DJ: I think this expresses the way I feel about that: Thank you, Lord, for granting us another time to gather here, To meet and fellowship with friends, A day we treasure every year. In memory we travel back to tragedy that struck our town, When giant hail balls fell before us and swirling winds came swooping down. Thank you that school had been dismissed and children had gone home to rest. We shudder for what could have been. Our schoolhouse could not stand the test. The wooden structure broke apart, It's fragments scattered through the air, So all within could have been killed, but thank you, Lord, we were not there. As victims of the sudden storm we grieve for nine who had to die, While we were spared for future years, For this we often wonder why? What have we done with all these years? Has God been first above all things? Have we resolved to honor Him as Lord of Lords and King of Kings? WE: That's beautiful. DJ: And I thank Him every day. Because we could have been killed. Just two hours gave us our chance to live. And I don't know, but I have a feeling that He's not through with us. He still has something for us to do. WE: Tell me a little bit, before we go forward in time, tell me a little bit about your days at Eastern. Who were some of the professors you remember? DJ: Well, I remember Professor Richardson for one. Do you remember him? WE: No. DJ: I bet you don't! And Mrs. Tine (Teen), Mrs. Story. I'm trying to think of the...oh yeah...Oh what was his name? Professor Smyth. They called Buggy Smyth because he was always catching bugs and specimens, you know for us to study. I remember him quite well. And he told us that he couldn't read when he was in the second grade, I believe. I've forgotten how old he was in the second grade, but it was marvelous to hear him talk about how he worked to get his education. Those were the ones that I can remember. We had others. Dr. Rubadoe(?). He was a funny one. I remember the girls wore smocks and socks, you know. Those socks that kinda folded down. He said they're both an abomination to the Lord. He was so funny.

�WE: Where did you live when you went to Eastern? Beckham Hall? Burnam Hall? DJ: Oh, I lived in both. I preferred Sullivan though. I had this beautiful middle room upstairs where the little portico opened out, you know. We didn't get out on it, but it was beautiful. And it had big double windows and I know I had little swinging baskets there with vines with them. But that to me was the beautiful part. Was not modern like Burnam, but I liked it better. However, I did room in Burnam some. And it was a great time. WE: So you paid your way through Eastern by working? DJ: Yes, teaching and going back. Working in the summer you know...I mean back to school in the summer and then going back to Eastern. WE: Who are some other students there that you remember at the time? DJ: At Eastern, I had a Dalphite...Miss Opal Dalphite I roomed with the last year I was there. And Viola Nelson. Viola....well she's married I forgotten her first husband's name. Viola Nelson. She's still living, but she's helpless. She was my age. So every day I thank the Lord that I can still take care of myself. Oh, let's see who some of the others are. Yes...one that died recently...lived in Middlesboro. Can't think of her name. She went back to the reunion in '38. WE: Did you know Emma Case? DJ: Yes, and her two daughters. I remember how they used to do the Charleston. And I didn't like that at all! WE: You didn't do the Charleston. DJ: I certainly didn't. No, I never danced. I don't believe it. I'm old fashioned. I'm an old timer. WE: An old fashioned Baptist. DJ: No, I never felt like that was my calling. WE: What did you do for entertainment while you were at Eastern? DJ: At Eastern? Well, they had the games over in the gym. Sometimes I'd go. I didn't do the dancing, but sometimes I'd go and watch some of the games. But I didn't do too much of that. I had to...I was too serious, I guess, about what I was trying to do. The sacrifice I was trying to make to get my education. I liked to read and be with my friends. And I had a good time without all that stuff that some people do. WE: Did you go to the movies? DJ: No. I'm trying to think of the geology teacher. Kennemar. Kennemar was one of them. I know after my husband passed, he said now, why don't you get out and have a good time. I said

�Dr. Kennemar that is not my idea. I said my husband meant too much to me. I said I'm not going out to have a big time, because that's not my idea of what life is all about. I can have my own way of enjoying life. I like to read and write and do the things that I like to do. Just like I do here. I don't take part in everything they do here. Don't have time. My days are not long enough to do the things I want to do. Now that's the only activity I take part in except the exercise. And we have a singing group on Tuesday morning. I help with that. And then we have devotion on Wednesday afternoon and of course, I wouldn't miss that. But as far as these movies and all that stuff, I don't have time for it. I don't play bridge and I don't play bingo. I don't have time for bingo. Course some of these people don't have anything else to do. And that's they're way of entertainment. That's their privilege. But I told Dixie, our activity director, I cannot take part in everything and do what I want to do. When I cam here, I was told that I could live my life the way I wanted to. Well, that's the way I want to live it. WE: You've earned the right! DJ: Now, let's see what else do you want to know? WE: Well, let me ask you a little more about...the 1930s was the era of the Great Depression, wasn't it? DJ: Absolutely. WE: What was it like in the '30s? You were going to school and teaching during that time. DJ: Yes, my husband and I was teaching in Prudent. Honestly, it was rough. We couldn't even borrow money on our...certificates, I guess you'd call 'em. I know one time it was real bad and we couldn't even borrow...They couldn't pay us that month. They got to the point where they could not pay us that month and we couldn't borrow money on the expectation of that check. But we made it. We had our little savings in the banks in Knoxville. My husband put his in one and I put mine in the other for safety. So if one went bad, we wouldn't lose everything. So we were lucky not to lose much. He lost a little, but I didn't lose any. But those were rough years. WE: Did the mine close down? DJ: Not while we were there, but after we left. Mr. Griffith, the general manager, was killed. They were building this big new washer...tipples...at the tipple to wash the coal. And he was standing up on the abutment about 15 feet from the ground and a big beam from the top fell and struck the ground and swerved around and knocked him off. Killed him. And after that, his son took over. And somehow it just never did go as well. And finally, it did after we left there...My husband died in 1935 and I stayed one year after he left and then I went to the Harlan City Schools. I went back to Harlan to live with my parents and taught in the city school there. And I still didn't have my degree, so I had to keep going back and forth to school when school was out. But I finally in 1938 got my degree and stayed there then until 1964. And I served as teacher, principal and director of pupil personnel for a total of 41 years. WE: Retired in?

�DJ: Retired in '64 to take care of my mother. I could've taught longer, but my mother was ill. She had diabetes and was declining in health. And my father had already died. He died in 1942....'41...'41...in December of '41. And I was married the second time then in May of '42. And at that time they had a rule that married women would not be teaching in the Harlan City Schools because the jobs were scarce and they needed them for the unmarried women. But I married with the full belief that I wouldn't be teaching anymore, but they rescinded that and I was asked to stay on. So I stayed on until 1964. And I retired then to take care of my mother. And she lived to be 97. WE: Goodness! DJ: I didn't regret it. I lost some money. But it was made up when I married the second time. I married a railroad man. And that helped supplement my salary, you know. So all together, I've had a...I think the Lord has just blessed my life and I just can't thank Him enough. Somehow He's just supplied what I needed at the time I needed it. It's been hard. WE: Let me turn this tape over. (END OF SIDE 1) (BEGIN SIDE 2) DJ: After she passed, my husband lived about 3 years. He died in '72. She died in '69. He died in "72. He had emphysema and heart condition and we went to Benita Springs, Florida the last winter of his life, thinking maybe it might help him. But we went in about the middle of December and his brother and his wife were coming down and we were all going to be living close together. My husband and his brother Charlie were going to fish and just have a good time. But Charlie was killed on the way down. He didn't come until after Christmas. Didn't start until after Christmas. And he was killed in Tipton, Georgia. So my husband was very despondent after that. He would sit out under the trees and I could tell he was grieving his heart out. And we couldn't even go back to the funeral because he was not able to go. I offered to go, but he didn't want to be left alone. So we just sent flowers and didn't go. And then I...of course, I was left alone again. WE: Tell me about your poetry and your book. DJ: Yes, I have written some for magazines. I wrote one to give my complaints. That clears the soul, I guess. WE: Right, it sure does! DJ: "Forgive me, Lord, when I am weak and tempted to complain; I find it difficult to smile when I must suffer pain. At times my cross seems heavier than I alone can I bear. Self-pity tends to make me feel there is no one to care. But when I think of how you serve and suffered, bled and died; I know you must observe the tears I cannot always hide. Recalling how you healed the sick throughout all Galilee; Of how you made the lame to walk, the blinded eyes to see; Of how you calmed the troubled ones and made the lepers whole. I know you have the power to heal the body, mind and soul. I feel new hope as I reach up to touch your nail scarred hands; To one who bore a greater cross and therefore understands."

�WE: Where was that published? DJ: That was published in the Baptist "Mature Living". WE: "Mature Living", July 1987. DJ: And then they used it the second time the next year and I didn't know they were going to. I didn't ask for one time rights. I should have, but they used it the following year. And one of the ladies at the church called my attention. She says I saw your poem in the magazine. I said what poem? I didn't know they had the right to use it. So it's there poem, but anyway, I like Mature Living. It's a good book. And I've sold some to "Home Life". "God Looks on the Heart" is one of them. WE: "God Looks on the Heart". This is in.... DJ: That's in the "Home Life". WE: ..."Home Life". Published by the Sunday School Board of the Southern Baptist Convention. DJ: Then I made some roses out of seashells and that's the one I wrote about it. WE: "Reclamation". DJ: And "Three Magic Words" is another one. WE: "Three Magic Words" DJ: 'I love you" are the three magic words. WE: Those are good words aren't they? DJ: And then "Lottie Moon". You know that one. Are you a Baptist? WE: Yes, ma'am. DJ; You've heard about Lottie Moon. WE: Oh, yes I know all about Lottie Moon. DJ: Well, this is in royal service. That's... WE: You have written quite a bit of poetry. DJ: Yes, and I'm still at it.

�WE: Well, good. DJ: Oh, yeah, and here's the "Universal Language" in Home Life. Well, poetry doesn't sell as well as some of the other....like for instance articles and short stories. Poetry is the least of all the things that you sell, but it's the thing I like to do. WE: Do you do other kinds of writing or just poetry? DJ: Well, I have recently written an article about French Broad Church. Are you familiar with French Broad Church? WE: No, ma'am. DJ: It's an unusual story. WE: This is in "Nashville Magazine". DJ: Yes, it is. Nashville...the magazine of middle Tennessee. And that's the church and the two pictures of the interior and exterior. WE: Oh, that's beautiful. DJ: I think that is just a beautiful picture of the little church by the lake. It's quite a story. WE: That's interesting. Well, now tell me about your book. DJ; Yes. I decided to get together some of the poems that I have written and just have them published on my own because at my age I didn't want to wait a year to find out whether it would be accepted or not. So I just got a bunch of 'em and had a book written. WE: And it's called Come Upstairs. DJ: The pastor of the First Baptist Church here has a wife that is just a marvelous person. Teacher. And so she suggested the name for it. And the body...I mean, the body is compared to a house of three stories. The physical, the mental, and the spiritual. And that's a challenge to come upstairs to the spiritual part of it. WE: Interesting. Who did your art work? DJ: She did. Esther. Esther Faulkner. WE: When was this published? DJ: Last year. I believe that's right. Well, it might have been '86, but it went on the market last year. It has a few pictures. I've been to the Holy Land twice so it has some Holy Land pictures.

�WE: Well, that's nice. You have quite a few poems in here. DJ: Yes, I had quite a few that I couldn't get in there. He called me.. WE: How long does it take you to write a poem? Or do you...how do you... DJ: Well, it depends on the inspiration I get. This summer I went to Mt. Rushmore and the Yellowstone National Park and I wrote this one about Mt. Rushmore. Do you want to read it? WE; Mt. Rushmore Sonnet. No, I don't want to read your poetry into this. Cause....I want you to read it. Why don't you read that one? DJ: I like the sonnet because it has only 14 lines and you have to crowd everything into it. Are you familiar with the Mt. Rushmore story? Morgullum (?) "Morgullum's dream came true for all to see; Four presidents carved on a mountainside; Immortalized in stone for years to be; We view this vast accomplishment with pride; Our fight for independence so well done, Spurred Washington to be first head of state; His Louisiana Purchase valor won, so Jefferson is named among the great; The Civil War caused Lincoln much concern; To save the Union, free the slaves, his goal; Then preservation which we all should learn, Gave Roosevelt a most important role; These four men represent our nation's best; Our challenge is to pass our nation's test (?). WE: That's good. Did...were you in Yellowstone when the fires were burning? DJ: No, we got back just before it started. And I just thank the Lord that I got to see it while it was beautiful and green. And it just broke my heart when I heard about the fire. I followed it all the way through. WE: Yeah, that's terrible. Well, it will grow back. It will take awhile. DJ: Well, it will take...oh, it will take a long time. A long time for that ever to recover. WE: It's a beautiful place. DJ: It's truly a beautiful place. WE: Do you rewrite your poetry much or? DJ: Oh, yes. I'm never satisfied with it. I wrote this sonnet before I went. I had dreamed about seeing that for such a long time. Didn't know that it would ever be possible, but it came. And after I got back, then I revised it. I wasn't satisfied with it. So this is my final rendition. I wrote one about the Prudent tornado too and this year when we went over there, I had it there for the ones that registered got a poem. "Thanks for Survival" I just think it's wonderful that God has given us another chance. Oh, I'll show you this one. I did two and half months of mission work down in Florida right after the World's Fair. And I met an old gentlemen there who delivered the Meals on Wheels. I did the devotion at the noon time and he would bring the Meals on Wheels. And I thought he just looked like a typical grandfather. One day I asked him, I said would you

�mind if I take your picture and use it on a poem? He said, no I don't mind. He said my son-in-law is a photographer and I'll get him to come and take the picture. So he took the picture and that's the little poem I wrote. WE: Oh, "An Ode to Grandpa". "When Grandpa finishes his meal, he then takes out his teeth and washes off the bits of food trapped way down underneath; He looks so funny when his nose bends down so near his chin; I'm always glad when he is through and puts his teeth back in; He smiles and says now listen well, and you'll find it's true...find it true; If you will take care of your teeth, they'll last as long as you." That's cute! There's a picture of him pointing to his grandson, I guess. DJ: Yeah, it's his grandson. WE: Oh, that's cute! Have you done much traveling? Where all have you traveled? DJ; Oh, yes I have. That's one of my great....I've had two trips to the Holy Land and several European countries included. A three week visit each time to the Holy Land. And the last one was a cruise tour. We toured the Greek Islands. We flew over of course and then took a ship that was our hotel and toured the Greek Islands. And that was a wonderful experience. Went through a storm at sea. That was frightening, but we survived. I just love to travel. Then, of course, I have traveled quite a bit in our own country from North Bay in Canada to Key West, Florida. And then trips to the Southern Baptist Convention in Miami with my niece married a teacher. Rev. James Kincher. I don't know whether you know him or not. He's now pastor of this little church I showed you, that I wrote about. He's pastoring that church. And I have traveled...I went to the Baptist World Alliance in Los Angeles. Was that four years ago? Three or four years ago? And we did sightseeing along the way. WE: Are you going to Las Vegas this year...next year? DJ: No, I'm not interested in Las Vegas. I want to stay away from that place. But I have been to New England and my hus....my stepdaughter lived in Canada for awhile and we used to go up there every summer around Lake Ontario. We made about three or four trips up there and of course, I've been to Washington and I've been to Philadelphia. WE: Where's your next trip gonna be? DJ; What? WE: Where's your next trip going to be? DJ: Don't know! Course I did this mission work in Louisiana. Well, this...31st of next month, our church is going to take a busload to Louisiana....somewhere in Louisiana. And I'm not sure I'm going because I spent two and half months down there doing mission work at the Carver Baptist Center near the Mississippi River front with the little black children. I'd never worked with them before. But they were a challenge. While I was down there, I worked with the senior adults at noon. Their devotional. And then I taught the preschoolers after school, two or three

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�DJ: It's Douglas. On the French Broad River. And it's a beautiful place. We took a van load of people over there from here. Well, I didn't tell you about the stainglass windows. Across the front they have the four apostles, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. And they're in, of course, big stainglass windows. Huge. They cover the whole front of the church and Mr. Alfred Swann had them brought over from Czechoslovakia. And I believe they cost $3500 and he donated them to the church. And of course, as time has gone on, they had a tendency...the weight of them, you know, had a tendency to sag. I guess in the last year, they have had the repair done. They've had them reinforced and whatever was to be done, repaired. And so they value those beautiful windows and that's the first thing you see when you enter that sanctuary. WE: When was that church built? DJ: I have forgotten. I think it might be here. It isn't...well it might be.... WE: Go ahead. DJ: Let's see when it was built. Well, Mrs. Fanny Swann, the wife of the man who donated the windows, was really the influential person that saved the church. When Douglas Dam was built, they were going to demolish it. Well, it covered the Oak Grove community. The water just covered the Oak Grove community and this is all that was left was the church. And it was only through her efforts that it was saved because she applied .... she appealed, rather, to the government officials to save the community. Well, of course, they wouldn't do that. She said at least save the church. And she was a poet also and she wrote poetry and it didn't do any good. So finally she wrote a personal letter to President Roosevelt and evidently that touched his heart. And he had a levy built around this little church. WE: A levy?! DJ: Yes, you can see part of the wall right there. So Fanny Swann is the one, I think that should've had the credit, but they gave it to Roosevelt. And I doubt if he would've known about it, if she hadn't written to him. But anyway she and her family and church members that cooperated to save the church but he got the credit. But now I had three typed pages giving a lot of credit to Fanny Swann, but they... WE: They cut it down. DJ: They cut it down. Well, I know what they wanted. They didn't want that Baptist flavor in there. This might give a date of it. WE: I saw 1919 in there. DJ: Products for building the church was purchased from Mr. and Mr...The church was founded in 1881, but the building was not built right then. The lot for the building cost $75 if you can imagine that. And they also granted an adjoining tract for hitching purposes, if you can imagine that. (TAPE GOES OFF) ...a new building which had replaced the white frame structure erected in 1887. The first one was erected in 1887 and they built the new one in 1919. Dr. Fred

�Brown preached the dedication sermon. The church has recently spent about $50,000 on repairs that includes the repair on the windows and blacktopping the road around the church and some other things they've done. But they have a wonderful mission there. I want to read you the last part of it. They left that out, but I thought that was the crowning part of it. If I can find it. I had a few words over it...I think I can give it to you. The last page is not there. When W.W.II ended Fanny Swann's granddaughter Edna Carver and her Aunt Francis Swann Dindale hurried to the church to ring the bell that was celebrating the ending of the war. Edna's husband would be returning from India and her brother from England. Her aunt's son would be coming home from England. I'll just have to do the other from rote. Today the bell rings to let people that the war against sin is not over. And when the bell rings it summons people to become soldiers of the cross and attend the little church that is still there because Fanny would not give up. But they would not put that in. WE: Well, thank you for talking to me. I appreciate it. DJ: Well, it's been a pleasure to have you. WE: Have you got more pictures of the church. Oh that is pretty. DJ: I think they're beautiful. And these are the windows. You can see better there. WE: Oh, those are beautiful stainglass window. Who made these pictures. DJ: I don't know, I borrowed them from the church. They were smaller than this and I had them enlarged and gave them a copy of the enlargements. WE: Those are pretty. DJ: For a little church like that I thought it was rather remarkable. WE: Thank you a lot. (END OF INTERVIEW)

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